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Poster: midnight sun Date: Apr 28, 2008 10:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star Crashes

"It sounds rather strange that we have no firm idea about what makes up 74% of the universe. It's as though we had explored all the land on the planet Earth and never in all our travels encountered an ocean. But now that we've caught sight of the waves, we want to know what this huge, strange, powerful entity really is."

hi Jerrob, thanks for those links,,,once again, more than i can fathom in a lifetime...

by contrast, i'm nearing the end of "The Secret Voyage of Francis Drake" think 400+ years ago that a dude (on not much more than a whim) ventured from your part of the planet looking for the other end of an unknown north-west sea passage, not all that far from my part of the world...............

here's to explorers, of both inner and outer space!

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: Apr 29, 2008 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star Crashes

I'll drink to that...especially this guy:

Greetings, midnight sun. nice to know you enjoyed those amazing images (especially evocative while listening to your favourite Dark Star) The section on Dark Energy could almost have been inspired by the lyric. i.e. Will dark energy eventually tear the universe's atoms apart? Did Hunter foretell the end of cosmology?

Checked out the Bawlf book on amazon. Had no idea Drake inspired such passion in the new world! Looks like a good read.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Apr 30, 2008 5:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star Crashes

"It is like opening a door to a hallway," he says, "that has unopened doors for its entire length, and behind every door is a world with which you are totally unfamiliar."]

good morning Jerrob, thanks for your thoughtful reply and yet another awesome link...a couple of weeks ago we watched an interview with John McLaughlin (Syracuse 1973) where he describes similar inner worlds experienced through meditation and music, allowing conventional thoughts to come and go without putting any particular importance on them, until a being is free and open to experience other realms....

i first equated Dark Star with concepts i read about in William J. Kaufman's "Black Holes and Warped Spacetime" (1980?), as best as i can recall, Kaufman essentially elaborates on the basis of Einstein's general theory of holes thought to be all consuming "anti-matter" as a result of the collapsing stage following a very large star gone super nova, it's forces so powerful that space and time are warped (i'm freelancing here)...a few years later i met an astronomer who stated that Kaufmann was considered THE layman's guide in his feild...very humbling, considering i didn't find it to be an easy read...lots of info here;

at first, i thought "dark energy" to be black holes, but my limited understanding is that dark energy appears to be expanding the universe, not compressing it into an unknown vortex of oblivion...might dark energy be helpful to mankind? is dark energy found in both inner and outer spaces?

too much

Bawlf has managed through painstaking research to piece together Sir Francis Drake's discoveries along the northwest coast of you probably know, info that was supressed during his lifetime to prevent the Spaniards from gaining interest in moving northward...incredible that the area was not to be re-discovered for some 2 centuries after!

Drake appears to have been an extrodinary individual on many expert mariner, cartographer, leader, improvisor....most notably, his humane treatment of the Spaniards he captured, entertained, then subsequently released unharmed with provisions, as well as his offerings of trade and goodwill towards the native populations he met during his voyages...on the voyage in question, he even had a string quartet along for the ride!

sometimes i temporarily remove myself from the modern comforts of sat tv, internet, electricity and automobiles, wander with the dogs out back into the wilderness and ponder the explorers that made all of this possible...not only the physical accomplishments, which are monumental in themselves, but also the mindset that people like Drake must have possessed

sorry for the long post, feeling kinda manic lately with the night long twilight glow returning to the north sky...

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: Apr 30, 2008 6:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star Crashes

Your long post is much appreciated, mr sun. Some ideas to fire the imagination. Tis good to share an interest in things exploratory and I have to admit I wasn't aware of what an amazing person Drake was until your mention. Like a 16th century James T. Kirk. Love the image of him and the crew grooving to the sounds of a string quartet while they boldly sailed where no man had sailed before. On the other hand, some might disagree considering his involvement in the slave trade and the massacre of 600 men, women and children in Ireland and, of course, the spanish weren't too happy with him.

Your mention of the John McLaughlin interview and his decription of 'inner worlds experienced through meditation and music' coincided with a quote I came across today from Albert Hofmann - "LSD can help open your eyes, but there are other ways: meditation, dance, music, fasting."

Thanks for the black hole link. To me, its another of the awe-inspiring, mind-boggling, totally humbling concepts that comprises our universe. I hope I'm around when the new James Webb Space Telescope starts transmitting. One of it's designs is 'to peer deeper into the universe than ever before - back to the era when galaxies first formed'. Maybe we'll know more about Dark Energy then. I like to think that the universe is a living breathing entity, expanding and contracting like a heart and as Dark Energy causes the universe to expand, there is a Light Energy to cause it to contract. Or something like that with lots of 70s Dark Stars.
It's late here now and I'm beginning to ramble so this is me signing off. Thanks for listening.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: May 1, 2008 1:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star Crashes

hey Alan, thanks for the reply

just to clarify; yes, at an early age Drake did assist Hawkins in the English slave trade...however, once in command himself, Drake formed a partnership with the Cimarrones (runaway African slaves in the Panama region) in "privateering" against the Spanish, going as far as to turn around and protect the Spaniards they had captured from the unspeakable cruelties the Cimarrones sought to inflict on their former masters

the attack in Ireland was not conducted by Drake and the extent of his prior knowledge of, or his involvement in enabling the heinous slaughter remains unclear

Drake's men fought to the death, knowing that surrender to the Spanish would have surely led to torture and execution...on the other hand, the Spaniards, more often than not, easily surrendered to Drake knowing they would be treated with respect and have their lives spared...whether this was an act of humanity or just good strategy is open to interpretation...for the most part, he took from the Spaniards what the Spaniards themselves took when they mercilessly massacred the Incas

you are right though, we need to keep in mind that all of the European explorations into the new world were far from benign or altruistic...not the least being the widespread devastation the natives suffered, caused by the introduction of European diseases

i like how you compare Sir Francis with the future myth of Captain James T...except i don't remember a band aboard the Enterprise (?) other than Spock treating us to the occasional Vulcan lute solo :)

good rap!

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: May 1, 2008 6:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star Crashes

Aha! Now I know where The Cimarons got their name!
The Cimarons were originally Jamaican natives and session musicians who worked with artists like Jimmy Cliff. They emigrated to the UK in 1967 and they were the backing band for many of the touring Jamaican artists during the late 60s and 70s. And, of course, they recorded with Bob Marley who knew a good thing when he heard it.
Just to bring this full circle, I believe they played on The Vulcans album, Star Trek!

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Poster: midnight sun Date: May 1, 2008 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star Crashes

whoa!!! full circle indeed...good one!

hmmm, those reggae guitar rhythms do sound a lot like pizzicato viol technique (???) throw in some ingestible and combustibles brought to the party by their nearby Yaqui friends and i do believe we have the first world beat prankster jam session

i wish i was a violist, on a north-west bound ship...